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  • lordthadeus

    lordthadeus

    March 11, 2015, 9:10 am

    >What's a sound or valid counterargument?

    Pretty much what passingofthedays said. There is good neuroscientific evidence to the effect that depth of experience is dependent on being raised within a rich, stimulating environment. It is my opinion that the nature of brain plasticity gives us good reason to assume that if an animal is brought up in a world without the ability to actively explore and develop cognitively, then they are never going to have a cognitive depth worthy of moral consideration. A chicken raised in a stimulating, cognitively rich environment is going to have a very different "mental experience" than a chicken that is raised on a factory farm. Same thing with pigs and other livestock. Intelligence and cognitive depth is constituted by development within a rich environment and is not based on purely genetic factors.

    The example of victor the wolf-boy and Genie does much to illustrate this simple neurological fact. Such considerations lead to me make a distinction between *suffering* and the capacity to merely experience pain. There is no doubt that factory raised livestock experience pain. But the human capacity to treat each other as ends rather than means stems from a mutual capacity for advanced cognitive awareness such as meta-reflection and higher-order thought. Memory and higher-order self-reflection transforms the biologically basic phenomena of pain into the more advanced form of *suffering* wherein we can *agonize* about our pain and reflect on how bad or good we have it, have had it, or will have it. An animal raised in a destitute environment in all likelihood does not have such capacity for advanced suffering and thus we should not wring our hands over its merely biological pain.

    It is my opinion that pain is a brute feature of the animal world but not something that humans base their moral considerations on. Moral considerations are usually based on more advanced forms of biological awareness such as empathy or higher-order thought. This isn't to say that in an ideal world we would still be killing animals so brutally. It really is quite brutal and ideally we would grow out meat synthetically without harming any animals because I find it noble to live out the imposition to not cause pain, although this isn't morally "basic" to humans. So although I do not find it morally repugnant to treat animals as means to an end such as food consumption, if we can get the nutritional benefit of meat eating without having to harm other species that would be preferable. But if you consider the distinction between the capacity to truly suffer and the capacity to experience pain, then it becomes difficult to ascribe moral considerations based on a crude utilitarian calculus that doesn't distinguish between depth of cognitive experience.

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  • Creampo0f

    Creampo0f

    March 11, 2015, 12:04 am

    I also fear for the future. It feels like we're waiting for the straw that breaks America's back. When my daughter asks what it's going to be like when she grows up, I have a hard time being optimistic. I don't see a civil war but I do see political unrest. Anger. Retribution. At the same time I look at countries like China that seem to be thriving even though they're experiencing scandal, controversy, and global recession. Look up their recent 60 year celebration. Spectacular stuff. Inspirational. America just seems to inspire more frustration and anger.

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  • bitcloud

    bitcloud

    March 10, 2015, 7:02 am

    well like most things in the debate over "jewish" people, it's poorly defined, and nebulous in it's meaning.

    It means simply "Establishing/maintaining a homeland for jewish people in palestine". It stems from the notion of zion, and the idea that jerusalem represents that place.

    So the trouble with that definition?

    Two things jump out at me. The first would be the use of the term "jewish". This is always tricky for me because there's no way to *really* define any race. Ahmadinejad is a semite (jewish origins), Hitler was a semite (jewish origins), Obama is a semite (his genetic origin is from a nation that speaks a semitic language - kenya)

    So the term "semite" is meaningless in this discussion... what about "Jew"? I suppose you could say that being white and having "slightly curly hair" qualifies you. I'm jewish (by decent) and I look Arian. The trouble with defining "jew" by race is that it's hard to describe what makes a "jew" without sounding like a fucking nazi. (don't start by calling me bignose for example)

    Judaism is certainly a religion. I suppose people who follow "Judaism" are religious. This kinda opens the door up a lot. Dick Cheney is a Jew. Hahlakha only lets the children of "jewish mothers" be officially defined as "Jewish". For added fun, remember that Adam and Eve were "Jewish" and everyone is descended from them, making everyone fucking jewish....

    Are "Jewish" people *genetically* distinguishable from others or *ideologically* distinguishable from others (or both/neither)?

    Now if you've made it this far, cheers :) So why is it nutty to talk about "establishing/maintaining a homeland for *jewish* people"?

    There are several possible answers, and I'll let you pick whichever one makes you happy:

    * A) It's anti-secular OR racist in it's definition.

    * B) It's poorly defined.

    * C) Everyone's Jewish so it becomes meaningless.

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  • lastshot

    lastshot

    March 11, 2015, 7:40 am

    > Well, air and water.

    yea. I was hoping somebody else noticed carbohydrate synthesis requires not only CO₂ but also H₂O.

    > That's what the roots are for.

    yea:½, boo:½

    Firstly, they keep the tree upright.

    Secondly, the notion that roots are "for" this or that. Darwin considered that a given anatomical feature is an adaptation to an environmental requirement, for example the beak of a finch may be adapted for eating fruit, seeds or insects. But a more modern view is that in a good design, there is often *not* a 1-to-1 correspondence between parts and functions. Rather, each part frequently is involved in more than one function. So we could say that roots serve both absorption of water and structural support, and perhaps other functions such as absorption of minerals and others we may not as yet understand. Many scientists would wince at the use of language along the lines "That's what ... are for", because it admits the interpretation, or at least is consistent with the assumption, that the in the unfolding of natural processes, *purpose* is involved, which appears to presume the agency of a human-like intellect.

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  • adjohnson916

    adjohnson916

    March 11, 2015, 12:05 am

    Oh get real. Maybe by word... sure, we can *say* anything. Of course we *want* Palestinians to settle down in the "bitch" position and stop complaining about being suppressed, ruled, stolen from, invaded, and killed. A two-state solution? Guess what, they already have a democratically elected governing body called the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization), and have had it for many years if not decades. The long-time party Fatah lost out to Hamas in recent years. Just because its authority is not broadly recognized on an international stage does not mean there are not already two states.

    If you look at the actual actions of the United States in the region, behind the Oz-esque curtains of hollow speeches, it becomes clear just how biased we are in Israel's favor. We sell them military equipment including but not limited to arms and helicopters. We only recognize Palestinian violence as illegitimate and belligerent, willfully ignorant if not in full support of Israeli atrocities. As a powerful permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, not only do we not protest Israeli expansion and war, but often vote against any kind of compromise which deviates even just barely from our own and Israel's selfish national interests.

    The whole thing is appalling really, when you dig deeper into it.

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  • ivybum

    ivybum

    March 10, 2015, 2:36 pm

    And you didn't use any money provided by parents, family, banks, or other groups? The money is given to me by a private institution that owns and oversees the way in which they spend their money. There are terms on the money loaned to me, some of which include the repayment of those loans. Once the money is given to a bank or firm, that bank or firm becomes the possessor of those funds and can disburse them at their discretion. I can currently go to a bank and receive a loan, and though my school it is equivalent. I have not stolen anything and all of my student loans are legal and within the provision of the school.

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  • allenizabeth

    allenizabeth

    March 10, 2015, 5:48 pm

    I think he said a *public option* was best, not single-payer, there is a world of difference. I haven't seen him enacting many neo-liberal policies. I think that he has been pretty middle-of-the-road on most of his policies, and if he has failed to tackle the influence of lobbyists, he is hardly the first, not to mention the fact that he is a little busy at the moment. I think that a lot of progressives have been making up a story about how they are solely responsible for his election, and he owes it to them to enact all of their policies. But he didn't advocate many of them throughout the campaign. He became more and more moderate in the year running up to the election. He always stated that he would continue the Afghan war, never advocated single-payer health-care, kept an open mind on a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. He has so far fulfilled his pledges to cancel the missile shield in Eastern Europe, engage Iran, and stake out a more open and engaged foreign policy. He has filled his cabinets with a mixture of competent technocrats (despite what some may say) and knowledgeable managers, with diverse opinions. He has begun to restructure the Pentagon (no easy task), and pursued a strictly liberal response to the financial crisis, despite his economic advisers being "neo-liberals". What do you believe he really lied about? He has pretty much stuck to the agenda he outlined in his campaign. You all knew exactly what you were voting for, if you wanted someone more extreme, you could have chosen a partisan ideologue like Dennis Kucinich.

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  • defpearlpilot

    defpearlpilot

    March 10, 2015, 6:14 am

    I'm not going to downvote you but I disagree very much. Perhaps, I think that your style of music has some metrics for judgement in terms of being able to replicate the music on the sheet. But let's remember that music is about emotion and not empiricism or measuring or observing. Music and other art forms are about expression and evoking emotions. And that's not to say that I can't get an emotional response from technical metal vs a simple blues song.

    I'm not apologizing for the industry and how artists are manufactured. But we need to recognize WHY we listen to music. You tread a dangerous line when you think that one art form is somehow more valid than another. In summary, you are looking at art the wrong way if you are measuring it in any way.

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  • snarfy

    snarfy

    March 10, 2015, 7:09 am

    The very first, original audio CD players were dumb and did not understand the TOC correctly. Instead, they relied on the two second gap between tracks in the P channel to know when to switch the display over (track 01 -> track 02).

    The CD mastering for Tool - Undertow is not 100% redbook compliant and includes a 'hidden' 69th track which was created by making zero length tracks 10-68. You know you have a newer audio cd player if it says this is track 69 (reads the TOC). An older audio cd player will say it's track 10 (looks for gaps).

    I know this stuff because I've had a few jobs writing dvd/cd burning software. I still have the redbook, yellowbook, and bluebook (cd-extra) lying around here somewhere. Damn specs were around $100 each when I bought them.

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  • alllie

    alllie

    March 10, 2015, 2:36 pm

    When a poor person commits a crime usually only a few people are hurt.

    When a rich person uses his wealth and power to get richer, usually hundreds of thousands or millions are hurt. Like Vioxx, tobacco, NFL, pollution, etc.[citations on request and most from recent links on reddit] The list goes on and on. That is what makes the crimes of the wealthy so much worse than the crimes of the poor. People are pretty much the same, wealthy or poor, but the wealthy have the power to hurt many people and the poor don't. That is why the wealthy must be eliminated. They are like a plague, killing millions, making hundreds of millions suffer.

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  • p3on

    p3on

    March 11, 2015, 9:27 am

    no actually when asked directly he says he does not deny the holocaust ("just asking questions")

    >Ahmadinejad has denied allegations of Holocaust denial[222] and acknowledged that it seems the West is right in its claim of the Holocaust:

    >"If the Europeans are telling the truth in their claim that they have killed six million Jews in the Holocaust during the World War II – which seems they are right in their claim because they insist on it and arrest and imprison those who oppose it, why the Palestinian nation should pay for the crime. Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions.[223]

    basically he's trolling

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  • shoutwire2007

    shoutwire2007

    March 10, 2015, 9:54 pm

    Numerous propaganda tools and organizations have been created in Israel to alter perceptions toward Israel.

    Ever notice that, according to North American media, Israel is always protecting itself against terrorists? They are never the aggressor, even though they have one of the best militaries in the world and they're dropping bombs on defenseless civilians. It's because of Israeli propaganda changing the stories to suit themselves. This is where the 'facts' that you claim to know are coming from.

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  • starlilyth

    starlilyth

    March 10, 2015, 2:10 pm

    Lots of great stuff listed already, lots of my favs too.

    Here's some stuff you have never heard of, but really should:

    Sazanami by Puff Dragon

    Adventures in Foam by Cuju (aka Amon Tobin)

    Blumenkraft by Ott

    Emotional Ecology by Evan Marc

    Outlines by Shen

    Zentone - Zenzile meets HighTone

    Heres stuff you probably have heard, but I didnt see listed yet:

    Brushfire Fairytales by Jack Johnson

    Dire Straits by Dire Straits

    Fly Like An Eagle by Steve Miller

    Danzig by Danzig

    Enjoy!

    Lily

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  • nealibob

    nealibob

    March 11, 2015, 8:28 am

    Politicians, not just Republicans. Look at all the sellouts with health care reform. The notion that Democrats are somehow automatically better than Republicans is frightening, and counter-productive. Seems most liberals are still so in love with Obama they don't see the incredible amounts of bullshit that is happening right now.

    I really want to see money being poured into infrastructure. That seems to be the best possible stimulus, and even if it isn't, we sure as hell need it. People are losing jobs that maybe should not have existed in the first place, since they had a foundation of bullshit (the housing bubble, and so on). Those people are not necessarily at fault, and indeed probably are not in most cases, but they need real jobs. We should be doing everything we can to get people into some sort of job, rather than worrying about giving them unemployment benefits. It's appalling that our nation is slowly eroding while we actually have the resources to fix it, but we would rather give people money for free.

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  • tirdun

    tirdun

    March 10, 2015, 8:02 am

    My disc is shot :(

    I played it hundreds of times. Even though I think I kinda sucked at it,. The few multiplayer games I got into I was usually killed first. I'm not sure why I was so slow at building up. I preferred to beat the AI with the giant Death-star ships in a massive scorched-earth campaign across the galaxy after researching every single possible weapon technology. If I was feeling less evil I'd colonize the hell out of every single rock and terraform it to gaia (I think that was what it was called). I'd have a brazillian citizens and would essentially slowly absorb the less popular races. I think you'd have to start abstaining from votes or you'd vote yourself into victory using that system.

    Dammit, now I'm going to have to try that disc again or find a copy somewhere.

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  • Enginerd

    Enginerd

    March 10, 2015, 7:02 am

    >exited the labor force, but as I have repeatedly noted whether the government counts them or not the corner store owner sure as hell does!

    Well, no, not quite. The reason they don't count them is that can include the retired, or people who don't necessarily need the money. Somebody like that will spend more than somebody who's still looking and needs a job.

    Also, I think he's comparing seasonally adjusted to non-seasonally adjusted data. SA is a bit of a hack, true, but if you don't do it at all month-over-month data is basically useless due to normal yearly cyclicality.

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  • SlyRyder

    SlyRyder

    March 10, 2015, 8:22 am

    We are paying prison guards 100,000 a year (California) to guard non-violent human beings ..... IMHO we should be paying prison guards a lot LESS to guard violent CRIMINALS ..... over 5 million Americans have lost jobs that paid them $20 an hour and these unemployed Americans are now competing against one another for part-time jobs that pay less than $10 an hour .............. and the prison guards want a raise ............. let the non-violent human beings out of the state's cages .............. TOO MUCH WASTE! Downsize the prison industry. It's corrupt and anti-human.

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